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FAA reauthorization bill puts Alaska EAS in jeopardy

http://alaskadispatch.com/blogs/bush-pilot/8765-alaska-sens-begich-and-murkowski-address-essential-air-service-repeal

Ben Anderson of alaskadispatch.com wrote:Alaska Sens. Begich and Murkowski address Essential Air Service repeal
Ben Anderson
Feb 14, 2011


As the Senate debate continues over the Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill, the question of Essential Air Service remains up in the air. The service, which provides government subsidies for air carriers providing regular air service to rural American communities, is the target of an amendment proposed by Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) that would cut the $212 million program from the FAA's budget.


Thoughts on this? Here I go stirring that political pot that I hate so much, but this seems like a rather relevant issue.
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While there is no doubt Alaskan air service is a more vital part of their daily life than here in SD, this will be the first real test of US Rep. Kristi Noem the new tea party candidate from South Dakota and it will be closely watched. Her and her husband ranch at Castlewood 10 south of Watertown SD which is her back yard and their nearest commercial air service. It is heavily subsidized by EAS and the air service jewel to the city of Watertown. Small rural town air subsidies like this are also on target center in the debate with the next air service for business and residents 100 miles away. When the budget knife slices there will be a fine line between where the fat ends and the meat and bone begins.

Yesterday Tea Party candidates elected in the fall joined with democrats to defeat a bill to spend 450 million on a new engine for the F35 joint strike force fighter. That was a less divisive issue for Tea Party crews than this one will be.
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Essential Air Service lost it's most powerful savior when Alaska's senior senator Ted Stevens was not re-elected.

It will be interesting to see where EAS goes in these times. But, as dirtstrip points out, this is NOT just an Alaska thing, by any means.

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I know I will make someone mad saying this. So first I will apologize.

No subsidizes. Not just for airlines, everything.

Not for farmers, high tech, solar power, wind power, electric cars, ethanol.

No grants.

No foreign aid.

Good day :wink:
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FAA reauthorization bill puts Alaska EAS in jeopardy

According to an article yesterday EAS for the other states is doomed but Alaska is off the chopping block. Don Young is still with us even if Stevens is not ;)
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Don't we need to keep subsidizing shipments of soda pop to the villages so the dentists don't run out of work and doctors can stay busy dealing with diabetes and overweight related health issues?
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Rob, how dare you say that in a big lib state like Oregon!. I hope you run for President in 2012, you got my vote for sure.
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Rhyppa wrote:Rob, how dare you say that in a big lib state like Oregon!.


I think you mean Portland.
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bumper wrote:Don't we need to keep subsidizing shipments of soda pop to the villages so the dentists don't run out of work and doctors can stay busy dealing with diabetes and overweight related health issues?


I think that is a different subsidy? Bypass mail. EAS is for flying people though I'm sure freight benefits.
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One FAA subsidy not mentioned is the Runway Improvement Act which is responsible for all that nice asphalt everyone of us is using. When Rob becomes president, Air Force One will have to sport some hellacious bush wheels.
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As a 14 year resident of Los Anchorage, I can't begin to speak for those in Alaska who live off the road system.

But as an American taxpayer, I firmly believe that remote Alaska is the most heavily subsidized population segment in the US. A couple of data points:

Former Senator Ted (Uncle Ted) established the Denali Commission in 1998 as a means of routing Federal dollars to remote Alaska via a state/federal partnership. The average budget for this entity averages ~$80,000,000. Over the ten years of its' existence, that's $800,000,000 (http://www.denali.gov).

Established in the mid 1980's, the state provides Power Cost Equalization funding to remote Alaska to bring the cost of their electricity in line with that of Los Anchorage. This has cost the state on average $20,000,000 per year. In round numbers, this represents about $200,000,000 over the previous 10 years (http://www.state.ak.us)

The EAS system costs the US taxpayers $212,000,000 for the upcoming year alone. Over the past 10 years, $2,000,000,000. Alaska probably gets a good portion of that. Let's guess about 50%.

In my little mind, the issue is not whether the residents of remote Alaska "deserve" this money by virtue of where they live - they don't - any more than the residents of New Leipzig, North Dakota or Podunk, Idaho . . . that is a place, isn't t? ;) The larger issue is that we can't continue to spend that kind of money to help a very small portion of the state's population maintain the subsistence lifestyle they continue to spout is the real reason to continue the expenditure. The fact of the matter is that the villages of Alaska are economically non-viable units - there is not sufficient population to maintain a cash economy - without continued government subsidies. Via the Denali Commission, we build washeterias, health clinics, schools, power plants, bulk fuel storage facilities, etc. without a thought as to who is going to pay for the Operations & Maintenance (O&M). Oh, I forgot, we're going to pay for that too.

Did I mention that remote Alaska has about 10% of the total state population? Using the 2010 census numbers for AK (710,231), this would mean that remote Alaska means about 71,000 people. For numbers sake, let's round up to 75,000 (that added 15 villages! the average village size is about 211). If we use just the numbers quoted above, that totals out to $2 BILLION dollars for 75,000 people, or $26,666 per man woman and child, and that's not taking into account any other subsidy program, such as Denali Kid Care, the state Heating Assistance Program, Food Stamps, Medicare, etc.

If we used the same formula for the lower 48, and arbitrarily spent the same amount of money for whatever purpose (go ahead, make one up - our politicians do!) this would represent $8.3 TRILLION dollars. A trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon you're talking real money (with apologies to the former Senator Everitt Dirksen) . . . Simply put, we can't afford it. [RANT OFF] [-(
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bumper wrote:Don't we need to keep subsidizing shipments of soda pop to the villages


Darn right! Don't be messin with my soda pop subsidies :lol:

Most of the air-carriers will tell you the money that keeps them afloat is in cargo and mail, PAX's are more additional, though necessary, income and, it's not all that cheap now. For instance, a round trip Golovin-White Mountain 10 nm = 100.00. White Mountain-Nome 54 nm 250.00. I can only imagine what the cost would be without the subsidies, if the aircarrier could afford to continue to operating. In short, the subsidies make life off the road system possible, at least life that is not 100% subsistance based.

I love living here, but i have often thought about how much longer it will be possible as the cost of everything gets higher and we sink deeper in debt. In the mean time, thanks for supporting my habit! =D>

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A buddy of mine from Bering Air in Kotz once described the typical AK village as, and I quote...

"A Black Hole, sucking in social services, soda pop, potato chips and Pampers. Everything goes in, absolutely nothing comes out."

Sadly, for the most part true. Subsistence lifestyle does not exist anymore, and I don't know a single person in any of my old villages who'd be willing to give up stove oil, diesel fuel, car gas, ATV's, snowmachines, satellite TV, running water, flush toilets, daily mail service, and... Their airplane rides. No more than any of us down Lower 48 would give up much either. They just have a whole lot more oil and natural resources to exploit, and senators and congressmen who want control of that $$$, and are willing to feed the welfare pig to get it.

Sam Kinnison said it best regarding aid to Africa, which should certainly apply to parts of North America too. He said, "Quit sending them food and money! Send them luggage. We have desert wastelands in America too, we just don't live in them. Move to where the food is."

And bypass mail is directly tied into Pax revenues. That is why you see outfits like Era gobbling up Frontier, Cape Smythe, Hageland's and others in order to boost pax numbers. The money is in the bypass, not passengers. But you don't get one without the other. And this is why you see all these new super strips going in at the bush villages. All to get the 1900's in and out. The Sled (C207) days are soon to be long gone.

Prior to 2003 when Uncle Ted changed the bypass rules there were a bunch of us who said screw pax service all together. Just wasn't worth it to do both. I loved it, life and $$$ was simple and good. Pallets of pop were pure gold to me, and sadly, more death to the villages.

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Soda pop isn't the only liquid that goes into a lot of AK villages. Somewhere I have a photo of a crew unloading a DC 6 load of booze in Fort Yukon. Population about 500.

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Yeah... Booze, cigarettes, and sugar. We done good.

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Sincere questions for those of you who have lived and flown and worked around those remote villages:

Apparently the locals have survived in these villages for many years before Santa Claus showed up every week with a 207 full of soda. If the EAS services were cut back, would those villages be unable to go back to the way it was before?

Do they really still want to live that far away from essential services and infrastructure, now that they have seen the glorious benefit of Wal Mart or Costco or Dr. Pepper?

Who and why was it that these villages became "entitled" to air taxi service to go shopping or to the doctor in the first place?

Those of you who worked there and flew the shit in and out... based on your having been there and walked the walk... do you think it is or is not worth spending all this money to subsidize EAS, assuming you are being more loyal to the needs of the US first and someone's profitable business second?
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EZFlap wrote:Sincere questions for those of you who have lived and flown and worked around those remote villages:

Apparently the locals have survived in these villages for many years before Santa Claus showed up every week with a 207 full of soda. If the EAS services were cut back, would those villages be unable to go back to the way it was before?

Do they really still want to live that far away from essential services and infrastructure, now that they have seen the glorious benefit of Wal Mart or Costco or Dr. Pepper?





I think that Grandpa and Grandma could but I know for sure that their grandkids couldn't. They have to have their PS3, their Mountain Dew, all of the things that come with modern living. I know that it won't be the case for everyone but I know that there will be outrage if these services are lost.
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Re: FAA reauthorization bill puts Alaska EAS in jeopardy

Are you out of your mind??? you try crapping in the snow at forty below? Hey that's a poem. :D
I don't think it would be possible at this time to go back a hundred years or more and return to a complete subsistence lifestyle, most of these people would die. You can't take away knowledge once it is out of the bag, before any "native" people knew about canned food or whatever, they didn't need it. Once they know it is out there, can't live without it.

I believe that if the cost to live in the villages became unsupportable you would see the villages emptied except for a very few dying old people and the homeless in Los Anchorage (I like that) would increase and the cost to take care of them would be the same.

One other thing to consider, some of the native corporations own extremely valuable assets, land, oil, timber, minerals. If they were abandoned by the feds, it seems to me that they might get real hard to deal with on those assets that the feds want. :roll:
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Interesting that this thread came up when it did. Just got home from work. The job I worked on today is in Happy Camp, CA (where Gump used to pick up his chicks). I am working on a house for the Karuk tribe. It will be a nice house subsidised by you know who. An eligable tribe member will move in and in a year it will be trashed and there will be about 5,000 bear cans scatered everwhere.

They are over 100 miles from air travel so it may be a good idea to build a new airstrip.

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If there was oil in Happy Camp there would be a new airstrip.
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