Anybody know about the Wag-Aero Sportsman 2+2

[shortfielder]

Some folks build in the jack screws to the 2+2. Just like some have flaps and some don't. Doesn't the PA14 have a higher AOI than the PA12?
http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?35282-Wag-aero-2-2-rigging

I would hope that a 2+2 if kept light as possable would have similar performance to the PA18???? I think maybe a little better cruise too, Haven't figured that one out yet.

[ccurrie]

I think the AOA is same as the 12 I cant remember for sure it is definitely less than an 18.

With the 0-360 on the short mount the performance Is very close to an 18 with 160hp 320. the short mount is the best mod you can do on these planes with the larger engines. you can haul more than a cub and still get in and out very short and the cruise is considerably faster than a cub.

[shortfielder]

From the link I posted I think AOI is the key here.

The correct wing washout of the Piper
PA-18 model series and PA-19 airplanes is
2 1/2 degrees, the same as that of the Piper
PA-12, PA-12S, and PA-14 airplanes. The
PA-18 model series and PA-19 airplanes,
however, have a wing angle of incidence of
+1.843 degrees at the wing root (inboard end;
i.e., the centerlines of the wing butt hinge
bolts), while the PA-12, PA-12S, and PA-14
airplanes have a wing root angle of incidence
of -0.060 degree.

[ccurrie]

Ya AOI sorry thats what i ment.
The AOA is still less than a cub too even with the extended gear and 31s but not much.

[EZFlap]

I'm no expert on Pipers...

But from Shortfielder's post regarding the differences in incidence between the various models it makes sense that they were trying to improve cruise speeds on some of the later models, by "flying" the fuselage at a more level angle ??? If anyone on this forum knows Clyde Smith, he will know the straight scoop on this.

Regardless of the "stock" airplane differences, if you have a Wag-Aero 2+2 (or any Cub type experimental), you can easily overcome any built-in incidence handicap by using a full-span flaperon mixer. Drooping the trailing edge (within reason and keeping tip stalls at bay) can provide more AOA on takeoff than even the biggest tires, then reflexing them will provide the lowest possible induced drag in cruise flight.

[westerncolorado]

If you have a 12 and 18 next to each other, stand on the main tire, or whatever it takes to get high enough, look down the bottom of the wing towards the tail and see where the tail lines up. There is a real big difference in AOI. Its an interesting way to see the difference between the two.
I have a friend with a 14, always thought they had the same AOI as the 12 but I'll check it next time it comes by the shop. I think the 2+2 has the same AOI as the 14 but I suppose a homebuilder can build it however they want.

[cessnaford]

OK I read quickly and don't think I saw anyone list the Bushmaster.

Shortfielder. If you want another beast to look into I would recommend looking into a Bushmaster.
Basically it is a PA-20 (pacer) which is cut and stretched 30”. The wings are then pulled apart and the rebuilt around supercub spars. So you get an airplane the same length, same wing with SC struts, and more room of a SC. I think (ask a cub guy) the AOI is the same as the PA-18.
Reason I mention this is pacer projects are pretty cheap if you shop around. It will never beat a true super cub but it is better than a poke in the eye.

I flew one for a friend who just purchased one to learn to fly in on Monday. My only complaint, visibility was not what it is in my C-170. Short of that it beat my 170 in everything except cruise. (and the need for a hanger) P.s. my buddy bought his for $19,000 with a 160 horse 0-320 and 300+ hours on the converted airframe, estate sale.

[shortfielder]

I have hears of, and watched for a Bushmaster, but haven't sen any come up for sale. I am not a mechanic, and not looking for much a project. I just want to fly. If one came a long that needed a little repair, or a little to finish, that's be OK, otherwise I would prefer something pretty much ready to go.
Thanks
Gary

[mtv]

Um, actually, the PA-14 is significantly wider than the PA-12 at the front seat station. Still narrow, but wider than a 12.

Also, talk to anyone who's built anything from Wag Aero plans..... Sounds like quite a few errors. How those errors are resolved is probably going to determine somewhat how the airplane flies....

MTV

[lesuther]

Actually, I helped a guy build a Cuby at various times from plans when I was in high school....the frame and welding jig stuff was very easy to figure out, and the rest was easy for the guy who owned it, since he had re-covered a Piper a few years before. I don't recall errors, just missing information that was pretty much common sense. Maybe that means 'bad plans' by today's standards, but they seemed to work for him. My set of 2+2 plans seems about the same...details missing that might be important to some, but I think they would get the job done for most folks.

[dplunkt]

Two things,

With an experimental with the WA- 2+2's AOI, if I were trying to get short field performance I would pursue some of the experimental Flap designs I've see on planes winning at Valdez.

I have a pacer and have newver been in a 2+2 or a PA-14. I'm wondering if the room in the PA-22/20 is wider than the wag aero?

PS: A bushmaster for $19,000...that's a steal.