Seattle w/o transponder

[whee]

might have to go to Seattle to help my brother install some hardwood floors in the house he just bought. Any advice on where I could park the plane for a few days. Has to be outside the mode-c ring. I think the place he just bought is around Renton. He'll come pick me up so that's no problem.

[TomD]

Renton is under the Class B "Veil" and you have to have a Mode C transponder.

(d) Transponder requirements. No person may operate an aircraft in a Class B airspace area unless the aircraft is equipped with the applicable operating transponder and automatic altitude reporting equipment specified in paragraph (a) of §91.215, except as provided in paragraph (d) of that section

http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-215-FAR.shtml

To the North you would probably have to go all the way to Arlington AWO to avoid the Class B and Swanson 2W3 to the South.

I had to get my plane back to Harvey after the 9/11 no-fly was lifted but before the Class B restrictions were lifted. I ended up flying into AWO and getting "instruction" with a newbie CFI who probably never had been in a tailwheel in order to get to S43 which was two miles inside the "veil".

TD

[GroundLooper]

I believe you can get authorization by contacting Seattle at least 1 hour prior to entry.

d) ATC authorized deviations. Requests for ATC authorized deviations must be made to the ATC facility having jurisdiction over the concerned airspace within the time periods specified as follows:

(1) For operation of an aircraft with an operating transponder but without operating automatic pressure altitude reporting equipment having a Mode C capability, the request may be made at any time.

(2) For operation of an aircraft with an inoperative transponder to the airport of ultimate destination, including any intermediate stops, or to proceed to a place where suitable repairs can be made or both, the request may be made at any time.

(3) For operation of an aircraft that is not equipped with a transponder, the request must be made at least one hour before the proposed operation.

[whee]

I knew renton was inside the veil, i was just stating where my ultimate destination was so that I didn't get info on airports that were way out of the way.

Craig, I'm pretty sure it is tough to get permission if the plane has a electric system installed, which mine does.

Anybody know anything about Bandera?

[TomD]

Bandera;

Have a look here: http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/AllSta ... aState.htm

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/aviation/Airports/Amenities.htm


The Western end is the lower end and where it tends to get soft. We have not had any heavy rains for a couple of weeks so it should be fine. You probably are going to be landing uphill to the East unless the wind is blowing up the canyon too briskly.

With 2300 ft of runway it should not be a problem.

TD

[Zzz]

Craig, I'm pretty sure it is tough to get permission if the plane has a electric system installed, which mine does.

What questions do they ask you? Do they have a library of TCDS right there available to them?

Many experimentals with electrical systems do this very thing often, I don't see how your Luscombe does not qualify. I think the controller just wants to know what to expect for his/her airspace, rather than scrutinize whether your aircraft qualifies. Of course, I am speculating, having never done this, but talked to several people who have.

Just call em and do it.

[slowhawk]

Hey Whee,
Not long ago i had a lot of transponder problems, went through 3 Narco AT-50's in short order, fortunately, the units came with a 90 day guarantee. I did have to make several trips into DFW class B airspace to get to the avionics shop without a working transponder. Give ATC a call and fly into Renton, they will just want an ETA and destination. They never even asked why i didn't have a transponder. It might be different if you wanted to land at SeaTac, but i doubt it will be a problem going into Renton.

Chris

[whee]

Thanks for the info guys.

The opinions I had about operation without a transponder were from my ppl ground school a few years back and from a guy who flies a non-electric Luscombe in Houston. As I should have expected things are different depending on where you are.

Well the Blue Angels are out messing around...I'm gonna go climb up on my roof for a while

[hotrod150]

Bandera is pretty isolated- I wouldn't want to leave my airplane there. You might come back & discover that some asshole has mistaken it for an old refrigerator & shot it full of holes..
If the electrical system is a problem, don't cop to it. Lots if not most Luscombes are non-electric-- just play it off as if you're one of the many.

[courierguy]

Whee, if memory serves me right, the last time I flew commercial out of Seattle, I parked the plane in Auburn.
I too remain transponderless.

[whee]

My brother got sick of messing with his floors himself and hired it done; that means no flight to Seattle for me.

Not sure I would have had the guts to fly into the mode-c veil anyways.