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My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby flightlogic » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:01 pm

So, if I load up my plane with my gear and go land at your airport, and my gear includes MY GUN, have I broken a regulation? My survival gear list while part 135 in Alaska (a while ago) required a gun. ( I know, all you fellow veterans are squirming since it is a weapon, not a gun. Fighting vs. FUN and all those rhymes)
With the paranoia about flying machines, rag heads, illegal Native Americans commandeering planes and so forth.... I am wondering if someone is going to arrest me one of these days when I least expected it. Searching the FAA and TSA FAQ's and advanced search engines has not turned up the slightest clue. To protect the guilty, my questions at this point are purely theoretical. I certainly don't want my personal ADSB broadcast to pop me up on some pension protecting beauracrats radar tonight.
So what do you gentlemen out there know about the REAL regs on my gun collection going flying with me? [-X (part 91 of course).
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby once&futr_alaskaflyer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:25 pm

All bets are off when it comes to some Indian reservations.

There is a federal law that covers the interstate transport of firearms. But it is only applicable to unloaded firearms packaged for transport IIRC.

States rights rule, right? ;) Read the law for each place you are likely to set 'er down. The NRA website is a good resource for reference.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby spacer » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:26 pm

At our airport, you'd probably get into a lengthy discussion about the merits of various calibers, action types, and the like.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby jomac » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:55 pm

at our airport here in good old idaho, NOT having a gun in your a/c would be considered strange....!
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby patrol guy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:44 am

At OH82, you land, step out, load them up, and start shooting.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby WWhunter » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:06 am

Mystrip doubles as a shooting range and a venison food plot. :)

Seriously though...as others have stated, there should not be any issues as long as the firearm is unloaded and cased.

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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby soaringhiggy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:00 am

Start here, they show a lot of information all by state. They also talk about some long gun laws.

Great site.


http://www.handgunlaw.us
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby iceman » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:56 am

Down here it's gonna probably be illegal to have a picture of a gun your plane soon... but I suspect that any law enforcement official who comes to the scene won't know a thing about it and just arrest you on principle..makes no never mind to me however... I still carry my old off duty .38 model 60 in the plane when I fly the back country...oh and by the way.. It's loaded... an unloaded gun is pretty useless if you ask me...I ALSO carry several to Idaho when I go each year... so I gotta be in violation of a few interstate transportation laws... Oh well... catch me if you can..... :lol: #-o
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby flightlogic » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:49 am

Soaringhiggy.... good link. Will take a look. An unloaded gun is a hammer or a doorstop. They were designed to house bullets and gunpowder. If I locked it in a case... I might as well arm myself with the vicegrips from the tool bag. But their range is limited.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby Fisherman » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:35 pm

WWhunter wrote:Seriously though...as others have stated, there should not be any issues as long as the firearm is unloaded and cased.

WW


Being unloaded would make it a club and not a very good one. My 1911 will be on my person in condition one.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby soaringhiggy » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:46 pm

a gun without bullits is like a plane in a vacuume, it ain't gonna fly
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby Okie Bush Man » Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:41 pm

At 92F, we'd probably make you shoot an El Prez to verify that you are allowed to be there. We keep a Ruger Hunter in .17HMR to keep the grass hole-less. At KLAW, you MIGHT get hassled in the terminal, but the FBO owner is a retired FA 1SG and may remind you that he shot real cannons.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby Zzz » Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:28 pm

Okie Bush Man wrote:At 92F, we'd probably make you shoot an El Prez to verify that you are allowed to be there.


What's an El Prez? A type of tequila?
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby Okie Bush Man » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:37 am

1SeventyZ wrote:What's an El Prez? A type of tequila?


An El Presidante is a shooting drill developed by the late Jeff Cooper for training body guards and used in almost all of the "action pistol" games.

Three targets at shoulder height, one foot between targets, and about 10 feet down range. The starting position is gun holstered, back to targets, hands in the Bart Stupack (aka surrender) position. At the start signal, turn, draw, engage each target with two rounds, do a mandatory reload, and reengage each target with two rounds. The Robby Leatham's of the world do this in less than six seconds with all A-zone hits on an IPSC target.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby tejasflyer » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:13 am

If you review the reciprocity rules for a concealed carry license, that can ease quite a few burdens. I find that most states that I have flown to have reciprocity with Texas. Most of those that don't I don't want to go visit anyway.

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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby lowflyin'G3 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:49 am

Park at the east end of the runay, I'll be in the sagebrush shooting rabbits and coyotes between the runway and my house with a .17 fireball.
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby hotrod150 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:56 am

Okie Bush Man wrote:....Three targets at shoulder height, one foot between targets, and about 10 feet down range. The starting position is gun holstered, back to targets, hands in the Bart Stupack (aka surrender) position. At the start signal, turn, draw, engage each target with two rounds, do a mandatory reload, and reengage each target with two rounds. ...


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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby spacer » Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:01 am

SHOOTER READY?......STAND BY......BEEP (bang-bang bang-bang bang-bang)


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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby DavidB. » Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:25 am

Zane wrote:
Okie Bush Man wrote:At 92F, we'd probably make you shoot an El Prez to verify that you are allowed to be there.


What's an El Prez? A type of tequila?


Did they name the airport after the gun? Or was this by chance? http://www.google.com/webhp?rls=ig#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&rls=ig&site=webhp&q=92F&aq=0c&aqi=g-c1g2g-c1g1&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&fp=ee7ae51cefa9981c
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Re: My gun, my plane, your airport.

Postby Cowboy » Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:42 pm

At most strips in Wyoming you would encounter a lively discussion and several firearms would appear. If you land at Buffalo WY the long distance range is along the east side of the runway. Yep, you can shoot a touch-and-go or a rifle out to 1000yards! :D
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